Discussion Universal Basic Income?

Universal Basic Income (UBI) is the idea that every citizen receives a regular, unconditional cash payment from the government, no matter their income or employment status. Supporters say it could reduce poverty, boost mental well‑being, and help society adapt to automation and economic change. Critics argue it’s too costly, may reduce incentives to work, and could divert funds from targeted social programs.

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Pros and Cons:
Pros:

• Poverty Reduction & Financial Security
  • Allows people to have enough income to purchase basic necessities no matter what they are doing for work
• Improved Health & Well‑Being
  • Trials around the world often report reduced stress, anxiety, and improved overall well‑being. For example, people in experiments in Finland, Kenya, and earlier Canadian projects have noted better mental health and reduced financial stress thanks to consistent cash support
• Encouraging Work and Economic Mobility
  • Contrary to the belief that “free money” leads to laziness, some evidence shows basic income doesn’t discourage work. In Stockton, California’s pilot (SEED), full‑time employment actually rose among participants, and people were more stable financially while seeking better jobs.
• Supporting Creativity & Entrepreneurship
  • Other pilots have shown that stable income can lead to more creative output, improved quality of life, and more time to pursue artistic and entrepreneurial interests.

Cons:

• High Cost & Funding Issues
  • One of the biggest arguments against UBI is that it’s very expensive to implement at scale. Estimates in wealthy nations like the U.S. suggest providing a meaningful basic income to everyone could cost trillions of dollars annually, possibly requiring higher taxes or cuts to other programs.
• Work Disincentive Concerns
  • Some critics fear that guaranteed income might reduce incentives to work. Although real‑world evidence is mixed, economic analyses still raise this as a potential issue, especially if the UBI amount is high enough to replace most income from jobs.
• One‑Size‑Fits‑All Doesn’t Target Neediest People
  • Because UBI is universal, everyone gets the same payment, no matter their circumstances. Critics argue this means wealthy people benefit as much as those in poverty; potentially making the program less efficient than targeted social welfare

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Real Examples and Results:

Finland (2017–2018):
A national experiment provided €560/month to 2,000 unemployed people. Results showed improved mental well‑being but no major change in employment rates.

Stockton, California (SEED):
125 residents received $500/month for two years. The study reported increased full‑time work and reduced stress, challenging the notion that basic income discourages employment.

Kenya (Long‑Term Trial):
Thousands of individuals in rural Kenya are part of a decade‑long UBI trial. Early findings show increases in savings, asset ownership, business investment, and reported well‑being, with no evidence of harmful side effects like increased spending on alcohol or gambling.

Marshall Islands (2025):
A new nationwide UBI program using both traditional funds and cryptocurrency payments aims to ease cost‑of‑living pressures; while still early, it’s a unique real‑world national rollout

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Has any of this information changed your mind on UBI? and should UBI become more researched as a potential aid within North America?

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Britannica. (n.d.). Pros and cons of universal basic income (UBI). Encyclopædia Britannica. Universal Basic Income (UBI) | Pros, Cons, Debate, Arguments, & Income Equality | Britannica

Business Insider. (2025, June). Ireland’s artists basic income pilot results. Artists who got almost $1,500 a month under a basic income pilot say their work improved

UBI Advocates. (2024, May). UBI in the USA — studies and pilots. Universal Basic Income Programs You Didn't Know Were Tried in the US

Unify Canada. (n.d.). Universal basic income: Policy overview and evidence. Universal Basic Income — Unify Canada

The Guardian. (2025, December). Marshall Islands launches universal basic income scheme offering cryptocurrency in world first. Marshall Islands launches world’s first universal basic income scheme offering cryptocurrency

Penguin UK. (n.d.). Universal basic income: Pros and cons explained. The pros and cons of universal basic income

I saw they proposed bringing this to Canada not too long ago. The only issue I can see with this is that if it exceed the salary of the person working then they might lose motivation not work since they are making more money by not working.

It's also important to note if it will stack with other government benefits or not because that has the potential to reach a quite significant number if it does and I think that would actually have a detrimental affect on our community, at least in Canada.

They would obviously have to keep the total below that of the average wage, but to be honest from what I've seen in Canada is the cost of living in a lot of cities tends to be greater than that of the average salary. So there would definitely need to be a significant amount of money given in order to keep people afloat.

In my personal opinion if you can't afford to live an average life in a first world country off of the average salary then there is a fundamental issue with your system and it is up to the government to either lower the living cost or subsidize some of the costs.

I pulled my information from this site and I found it quite interesting: https://www.careerbeacon.com/en/cost-of-living/canada

NoahL said:

In my personal opinion if you can't afford to live an average life in a first world country off of the average salary then there is a fundamental issue with your system and it is up to the government to either lower the living cost or subsidize some of the costs.

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The thing is, people in this age have a very warped perception on what a normal/ average life is or what it should be. A lot of people consider average as owning an average home, owning a nice car and having nice things. But the truth is, that isn't sustainable for every person on the planet and if every person in every country lived like this we would run out of resources very quickly.

In an ideal world people wouldn't even own cars as the public transportation system would be good enough for everyone to use. And as for home ownership for ideal reduction of carbon footprint the average home would be 500-800 sqft. So in reality anything more than this for 1 person is technically living outside for their required means and as such can be the cause as to why everything is so unaffordable because everyone wants to live above the average. It's not bad to have goals but the reality is in order to have an average there has to be the vast majority of people living at that average.